5 Reasons Why We Can't Understand God - The Divine Nature of God by Swami Mukundananda
00:00 Ram Valmiki Samvad Episode 9 00:16 God is Beyond our Mind and Intellect 02:59 #1 Reason - The Divine Nature of God 07:27 #2 Reason - The Limits of our Mind 08:14 #3 Reason - Mind can't think of God by it's own energy 09:34 #4 Reason - The mind and intellect and upheld by God 11:31 #5 Reason - The Infinite Nature of God Main Points: 1 Ram Valmiki Samvad Episode 9, God is Beyond our Mind and Intellect. Valmiki ji Maharaj says O Shri Ram, Your personality is beyond description, beyond the reach of our senses, mind and Intellect, Bhagavan is called Adhoksaj which means not graspable by the senses, i.e., these eyes cannot see Him, these ears cannot hear Him, this skin cannot touch Him, so Valmiki ji says You are Agochar the scriptures, Vedas, have said about You “neti, neti”, You are not this, You are not that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=17 2 in the Samved, Ken Upanishad, there's a very interesting discussion between the disciple and the guru. The disciple says, I know God, the guru responds that person who thinks I know God, has no knowledge of God. That person who thinks God is so great, who can know God, he actually knows God. Now the disciple responds I don't say I know God but I don't say I don't know God either, the guru says in that case it's very clear from your dualistic answer that you don't have any knowledge of God. Again he says if somebody thinks I will understand God that person's understanding is laughable, if somebody thinks nobody can understand God that person truly has a perception of God's personality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=75 3 1st Reason - The Divine Nature of God so why can we not know God ? The Taittriya Upanishad of Yajurveda says God is not accessible by our material mind, the Kathopnishad states your logic cannot reach God because He is divine and the intellect with which you reason is material, the Darshan shastra says this “verse” and the Ramcharitmanas states elsewhere that Ram is “Atarkaya”, i.e., if you think with logic, I will comprehend God, you need to think again. Why, look first of all we just discussed He is divine and the senses, mind and intellect with the help of which we wish to know Him are material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=180 4 A humorous example. Once there was a person in the circus who used to play the guitar so well he could make a tiger dance, another person came along, he said you know, I play the violin so wonderfully, forget about the tiger, I can make the lion, the elephant, all the creatures dance, they said let's try you out, they made him sit in the cage… & he was able to make all animals dance to his tune except one last who came in the last & lion was about to eat him up & on wondering why that lion did not dance, it was learnt by him that that lion was deaf – the moral is that our senses cannot reach God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=275 5 Frederick Nietzchse the German philosopher who some people say that his philosophy was the one that influenced Hitler and so indirectly he was the cause of the second world war, that's a debatable point, but he said something nice, he said those who were dancing in the rain were considered insane by people who could not hear the music, so our senses, mind and intellect have their limits as Tennyson said our little systems have their day and cease to be but You my Lord are more than they. They (our senses) are but broken lights of Thee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=372 6 so these senses, mind and intellect with which we get knowledge, are made of the material energy Maya, while God is beyond it, He is divine this is the first reason why we cannot know God https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=429 7 2nd Reason - The Limits of our Mind, He is the inspirer and our instruments of knowledge are inspired by Him. The Kenopanishad states this mind doesn't have the capacity to think of God by its own energy, it is by the inspiration of God that it works, so it cannot become the inspirer of its own inspirer. This is the second reason why you cannot know God https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=444 8 3rd Reason - Mind can't think of God by it's own energy God is the illuminator, Yesterday, we had heard from the mouth of Lord Shiv telling mother Parvati that Ram is the Illuminator of the three worlds, the Kathopanishad states that everything is illumined by the Light Of God, so like for example, there is a light source, it is the Illuminator and the body is illumined by it, now can the body by its own light illumine its source ? it is intellectually contradictory, similarly the Vedas say your senses, mind and intellect, your instruments of knowledge are illumined by God, they cannot become the Illuminator of their Illuminator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=491 9 4th Reason - The mind and intellect and upheld by God. see Maharishi Valmiki has said Ram (God) as Agochar, I'm just detailing it. The Senses, mind and intellect are upheld by God. People ask me what is the definition of God. A simple definition is that He is the creator of this world or another way to understand is that He is the upholder of creation. All of this creation needs to be upheld by someone. Who is upholding ? that is God. The Yajurveda Purush Suktam states that in only in 1/4th of His being, that Almighty is upholding infinite material universes and in 3/4th is His spiritual creation, so He is the upholder. Like now let us say here is a watch, it is being upheld by the hand, supposing we revert this relationship. Can the watch be the upholder of the hand ? Impossible. Similarly, the Vedas tell us that God is the upholder of our senses, mind and intellect, there is no question of them upholding their upholder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=573 10 5th Reason - The Infinite Nature of God God is all knowing, Sarvagya and the soul is alpagya, it is tiny in the extent of its knowledge. God is all knowing, Omniscient. What is the meaning of this word, sometimes its immensity fails to register in our Intellect. All knowing doesn't mean knower of what others are thinking, that even a yogi can do. All knowing means that in infinite universes, within them in each universe, within that in each loka, within that in each country and within it, in each state, within it in each city, in each colony, in each house and the innumerable Jeevas, within that house remember there are insects, there are germs, their endless lifetimes and within them, each life and in each life every moment, what they thought, what they did, God is aware of it. He maintains an account and He gives the karmic Results. That He is Omniscient and our senses, mind and Intellect, they are alpagya, limited in their faculty of knowledge, so Valmiki ji is saying Ram, You cannot deceive me, it's all right that I am seeing you here in the six foot form but I know Your original Divine Personality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXvV0KP26E&t=689 Transcript Ram Valmiki Samvad Episode 9 God is Beyond our Mind and Intellect 0:17 Valmiki ji Maharaj says oh 0:21 Shri Ram your 0:23 personality is beyond 0:26 description beyond the reach of our 0:30 senses mind and 0:34 intellect bhagavan is called 0:39 Adhoksaj which 0:41 means not graspable by the senses these 0:47 eyes cannot see him these ears cannot 0:51 hear 0:52 him this skin cannot touch him so Valmiki ji 0:58 says you are Agochar 1:00 the scriptures vedas have said about you “neti, neti” 1:10 you are not this you are not 1:15 this in the 1:19 Samved, Ken upanishad there's a very interesting 1:22 discussion between the disciple and the 1:26 guru the disciple says I know God 1:31 the guru 1:42 responds that person who thinks I know 1:45 God has no knowledge of 1:47 God that person who thinks God is so 1:52 great who can know 1:55 God he actually knows God 2:00 now the disciple 2:09 responds I don't say I know God but I 2:13 don't say I don't know God 2:16 either the guru says in that case it's 2:18 very clear from your dualistic answer 2:21 that you don't have any knowledge of 2:24 God again he says 2:36 if somebody thinks I will understand God 2:41 that 2:43 person's understanding is 2:46 laughable if somebody thinks nobody can 2:50 understand God that person truly has a 2:55 perception of God's personality 1 Reason - The Divine Nature of God 3:00 so why can we not know God he is telling 3:04 us 3:08 3:11 The Taittriya Upanishad of Yajurveda 3:19 says God is not accessible by our material 3:28 mind the Kathopnishad states your logic cannot 3:33 reach God because he is divine and the 3:38 intellect with which you reason is 3:43 material the Darshan shastra 3:52 Says “verse” and the Ramcharitmanas States elsewhere that Ram is “Atarkaya” 4:09 if you think with logic I will 4:12 comprehend God you need to think 4:16 again why look first of all we just 4:21 discussed he is 4:25 divine and the senses mind and intellect 4:29 with the help of which we wish to know 4:31 him are 4:35 material once there was a person in the 4:40 circus who used to play the guitar so 4:43 well he could make a tiger 4:48 dance another person came along he said 4:52 you know I play the violin so 4:56 wonderfully forget about the tiger I can 4:59 make The Lion The Elephant all the 5:02 creatures 5:04 dance they said let's try you out they 5:07 made him sit in the 5:09 cage the lion came he was playing the 5:13 violin and the lion started dancing the 5:16 elephant came the elephant also started 5:19 doing the fox trot now one after the 5:23 other the animals were coming and 5:25 dancing and finally one tiger came he 5:29 was playing the violin the tiger was 5:32 unimpressed the tiger came closer and 5:35 even closer he tried all his skills but 5:41 the tiger was practically about to eat 5:44 him when he dropped his violin and 5:48 ran that man 5:50 then asked the circus owner I'm 5:54 wondering how my music failed on this 5:57 tiger 6:00 the owner said I knew it will 6:02 fail this particular tiger is deaf it 6:07 cannot hear how will your 6:10 music work on 6:12 it as Frederick Nietzchse 6:15 the German 6:18 philosopher who some people say that his 6:23 philosophy was the one that influenced 6:26 Hitler and so indirectly he was the 6:29 cause of the second world war that's a 6:32 debatable point but he said something 6:35 nice he said 6:37 those who were dancing in the 6:41 rain were considered 6:43 insane by people who could not hear the 6:48 music so our senses mind and intellect 6:51 have their 6:54 limits as Tennyson said our little 6:57 systems have their day they have their 7:00 day and cease to be but you my Lord are 7:04 more than they they are but broken 7:07 lights of 7:09 thee so these senses mind and intellect 7:13 with which we get knowledge are made of 7:17 the material energy Maya while God is 7:21 beyond it he is divine this is the first 7:24 reason why we cannot know God now let me 2 Reason - The Limits of our Mind 7:27 tell you the second reason 7:30 he is the 7:32 inspirer and our instruments of 7:35 knowledge are inspired by 7:45 him The Ken upanishad states this 7:50 mind doesn't have the capacity to think 7:54 of God by its own energy it is by the 7:59 inspiration of God that it 8:02 works so it cannot become the inspirer 8:06 of its own 8:09 inspirer that is the second reason why 8:11 you cannot know God now the third 3 Reason - Mind can't think of God by it's own energy 8:16 reason he is the illuminator 8:30 yesterday we had heard from the mouth of 8:32 Lord shiv telling mother 8:35 Parvati 8:36 that Ram is the 8:39 Illuminator of the three 8:48 Worlds the Kathopanishad states 8:52 everything is illumined by the Light Of 8:58 God so 9:00 like for example there is a light source 9:03 there it is the Illuminator and the body 9:06 is illumined by it now can the body by 9:10 its own light illumine its source it's 9:16 intellectually 9:17 contradictory similarly the vedas say your 9:21 senses mind and intellect your 9:24 instruments of knowledge are illumined 9:27 by God they cannot become the 9:30 Illuminator of their 9:33 illuminator now let me tell you the 4 Reason - The mind and intellect and upheld by God 9:35 fourth reason see Maharishi Valmiki has 9:38 said Agochar I'm just detailing it the 9:42 senses mind and intellect are upheld by 9:48 God people ask me what is the definition 9:51 of 9:52 God we'll 9:55 come to it in the next couplet but for 9:59 now a simple definition is he is the 10:02 creator of this 10:04 world or another way to understand he is 10:08 the upholder of 10:11 creation all of this creation needs to 10:15 be upheld who is 10:18 upholding that is God 10:31 the 10:32 Yajurveda Purush Suktam states in 1/4th of His being that 10:38 Almighty is upholding infinite material 10:43 universes and 3/4th is His spiritual 10:48 creation so he is the upholder like now 10:51 let us 10:53 say here is a watch it is being upheld 11:00 by the 11:01 hand supposing we revert this 11:05 relationship can the watch be the 11:08 upholder of the hand 11:11 impossible 11:13 similarly the vedas tell us that 11:17 look God is the upholder of our senses 11:21 mind and 11:23 intellect there is no question of them 11:26 upholding their upholder 11:29 the fourth reason now the fifth 5 Reason - The Infinite Nature of God 11:33 reason God is all knowing 11:37 Sarvagya and the soul is 11:41 alpagya it is Tiny in the extent of its 11:46 knowledge 11:52 God is all knowing 11:56 omniscient what is the meaning of this 12:00 word sometimes its 12:03 immensity fails to register in our 12:07 intellect all knowing doesn't mean 12:10 knower of what others are thinking that 12:13 even a yogi can do all knowing 12:17 means in infinite universes within them 12:22 in each Universe within that in each 12:26 Loka within that in each country and 12:30 within it in each state within it in 12:33 each City in each colony in each house 12:36 and the innumerable 12:38 Jeevas within that house remember there are 12:41 insects there are 12:43 germs their endless lifetimes and within 12:47 them each life and in each life every 12:51 moment what they thought what they did 12:56 God is aware of it he maintains an 13:00 account and he gives the karmic 13:04 results that is 13:07 omniscient and our senses mind and 13:10 intellect they are 13:13 Alpagya, limited in their faculty of knowledge 13:18 so Valmiki ji is 13:20 saying Ram, you cannot deceive me it's all 13:24 right I am seeing you here in the six 13:26 foot form but I know your original 13:31 Divine personality Standby link (in case youtube link does not work): 5 Reasons Why We Can't Understand God - 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